How willing should we be to oppress and kill innocent people to get the "bad guys"?


From the Fascist Perspective

Larken Rose

Here's a response to  Supporting the Troops


Larken Rose

September 12, 2008 - I'm often tempted to quote things I get from statists, because they make such outstanding examples of the insanity of "government"- worship.  But if someone sends ME an e-mail, I don't want to post it, or even a piece of it, for all the world to see, because it feels unfair to do so without their permission.  This time, however, the statist DARED me to do so, so I will (with his name redacted).  To be extra fair, I'll include his entire rant, unedited, below. But there are a few points in particular that are worth examining.

1) He alleges that I blast "our" troops (personally, I don't have any troops) because they want to "serve our country."  Actually, I blast them for initiating violence against innocent people.  If all they ever did was use defensive force, I would commend them.  Heck, I might even volunteer to give them money.

2) After talking about the feds stomping on me, and the military stomping on foreigners, he proclaims: "That's the way it works whether you like it or not."  True enough, though it sounds like he's implying that that's a GOOD thing.  He then spouts the ultimate state-indoctrination line: "Run for office and change it!"  In other words, if you oppose tyranny, the solution is to BECOME the tyrant  --  as if working "within the system" would ever have any chance of achieving freedom.

3) Then he asks a good question  --  though it should be obvious to anyone what my answer would be: "What would your opinion be if someone, say your wife or child, had their ass blown to bits by some radical who could care less about what you thought or believed?" Well, I wouldn't like it.  (Duh.)  And I would go after the person who did it.  I wouldn't, however, oppress or murder his neighbors, or his family, or his country.  If I did, I would be just as bad as he is.  I don't know why anyone out of kindergarten can't understand that.

4) The disgruntled statist then asked this: "If you had to step on a few toes to ensure he was caught, what would you do?" Based on the context, I think that by "stepping on toes," he means oppressing, harassing, and murdering people.  So the answer is no, I wouldn't.

5) He then, with apparent pride, says that his son is in Iraq, not because he wants to kill people, but because he "wanted an education and this was the best way to get it."  So he's just doing it for the money.  In other words, he's a mercenary.  Personally, I wouldn't want to admit that out loud.  Frankly, I have more respect for someone who kills based on a misguided principle, than I do for one who just does it for cash.

6) He then complains that it's "idiots" like me "that blast thousands of boys like him because they want to make a better life for themselves."  Um, yes.  I blast car-jackers, bank robbers, muggers, and his son, for committing violence against innocents in order to better themselves.  That makes me an idiot?

7) Then he asks: "Do you think I care about the person(s) who almost killed my son?" Nope, and I would also bet he couldn't care less WHY someone tried to kill his son, or what might motivate him to try it.  Now, you'll have to take my word for it that he really did then say this: "I would be the ultimate tyrant and step on as many toes as it took to blast his ass off the face of the earth." Well, there you have it.  That stupid attitude, coupled with the cult worship of "authority," is why war will be with us for a very long time.  It is the EXACT mentality of the terrorists he says he hates: I'm willing to kill innocents in order to retaliate against the people who hurt me.  Then he projects his psychoses on the rest of the world, saying this: "I would dare say that the whole world, save a few that would hide from their own shadow, have that same view no matter their social status, political or religious beliefs. Would you be any different?  If so, you're not even worth being in the same room."  So if I wouldn't oppress and kill innocent people to get the bad guys, I'm not fit to be in the same room with him. That's okay.  I'm pretty sure I don't want to be in the same room with him.

8) He then ponders what my kids and grandkids will think of me, and declares that "whether you're right or wrong is not what matters, your whole life and what you represent has been nothing but negative and that's your legacy."  He didn't finish the concept, and say what DOES matter, but right and wrong obviously aren't it.  I don't care about my "legacy," and what people THINK of me.  I care only whether I did the right thing.  And if the world really consists of lunatics like this guy, I will no doubt be hated for opposing their totalitarian mentality.  That's just fine with me.

9) And he concludes with this: "Now, if you really got balls, send this out to your list and see what kind of response you get."  So I am.  Any comments?

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I've been listening to your ranting for a long time as well as you volunteering you and your family to be crucified by the powers to be; and, then you tout a martyr's complex because things didn't turn out the way you wanted. I also listen to your "intellectual" evaluation of our modern tyrants and blast our own system's defects. Then you have the gall to blast our troops because they want to serve our country but are really just pawns to ensure that our country's so-called "interests" are served, which is basically a bully's way of pushing everyone else around. Yes, my fine, well- thought-out rational analysis of your "history" is that you are an idiot. You see, I don't have to conclude my analysis with a bunch of words - one does the job just fine.
 
The world has always had and always will have tyrants; our system is no different even though a democracy under the supposed guise of a republic. Yes, the U.S. pushes people around because we can - so what's new. So what if it's a guy who is stupid enough to spit in the government's face and dare them to prosecute him or whether it's a foreign country that is seen as a perfect stomping ground to exercise some political muscle and blast the locals in the meantime. That's the way it works whether you like it or not. Run for office and change it!
 
Your views come across as purist and altruistic, but are just opinions like the rest of us. You sound like some religious nut who is so pious and self-righteous that no one else measures up. What would your opinion be if someone, say your wife or child, had their ass blown to bits by some radical who could care less about what you thought or believed? Would you be so protective and vocal about his rights? If you had to step on a few toes to ensure he was caught, what would you do? My son is serving in Iraq and has almost lost his life twice. Do you think he wants to be there and beat up or shoot people? No. Do you think he hates the Iraqi people? No. Do you think he is a tyrant or anarchist because he is in uniform exercising the will of the U.S.? No. He wanted an education and this was the best way to get it. And, it's idiots like you that blast thousands of boys like him because they want to make a better life for themselves. If they got to serve their country in ignorance of it's true motives, then so be it - I support all of them. Do you think I care about the person(s) who almost killed my son? Duh! I would be the ultimate tyrant and step on as many toes as it took to blast his ass off the face of the earth. I would dare say that the whole world, save a few that would hide from their own shadow, have that same view no matter their social status, political or religious beliefs. Would you be any different? If so, you're not even worth being in the same room.
 
Let me tell you my well-thought-out opinion of a man who spends all his time at trying to make a point at being the top rebel against a system that is at best unconstitutional, wasteful, onerous, but currently politically correct. One of these days, you'll be an old man or you'll die before you get there. Your kids will be grown and if you're lucky, you'll have lots of grandkids. What will your kids remember about you or what stories will you grandkids hear about you? - Well, my dad always bitched about everything, spent time in the pen, we had to live elsewhere for awhile, and he never spent any time with us. He spent so much time telling everyone how bad our country was that he never did anything to improve it.
 
What is the worth of a man? - How much did he make a positive impact on others? When it boils down to it, whether you're right or wrong is not what matters, your whole life and what you represent has been nothing but negative and that's your legacy. The masses won't listen to you and never will. Most of those on your list are there because of the novelty of it all and would never stick their neck out for you because, just like me, they think you're an idiot. Now, if you really got balls, send this out to your list and see what kind of response you get.
 

 

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